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Now or never. Is this Tuesday Hillary Clinton's last clear chance to stop the
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Second best solution? If Hillary can't catch Barack in the math, what's her
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Finally, see you in September? Obama divorced Jeremiah Wright this week, but come the fall when it would hurt most, would the Republicans re-marry Barack to the Reverend Wright?
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Interview: Kim Genardo of WNCN in Raleigh, North Carolina; Andrea
Morehead of WTHR in Indianapolis; Dan Rather of HDNet; and
Michael Duffy of Time on the Indiana and North Carolina Democratic
primaries; Tell Me Something I Don't Know; Big Question
CHRIS MATTHEWS, host:
What a couple of weeks it's been. Hillary Clinton's big win in Pennsylvania,
then Jeremiah Wright's madcap media blitz. Now the fate of the Democratic
party lies in the hands of Indiana and North Carolina. So I've asked two of
the best political reporters in those two states to join us today. Kim
Genardo covers politics and hosts a weekly political show for WNCN in Raleigh,
North Carolina; and Andrea Morehead anchors two shows on WTHR in Indianapolis.
Dan Rather, of course, global correspondent for HDNet; Michael Duffy,
assistant managing editor of Time magazine.
So what is the state of play heading into Tuesday's primaries? Obama's got
the delegate lead, but he's had to fight those Jeremiah Wright rants. Listen
to him this week.
Senator BARACK OBAMA: (Tuesday) I am outraged by the comments that were made
and saddened over the spectacle that we saw yesterday.
MATTHEWS: Now, as for Hillary, she's mostly kept quiet on Reverend Wright,
appealing to voters as a fighter who feels their pain.
Senator HILLARY CLINTON: (Wednesday) It's time we had a fighter and a
champion back in the White House who stood up for you, and that is what I will
do.
MATTHEWS: Dan, the importance of Tuesday, apart from everything else and the
numbers, is it's the first chance for voters to react to the eruption earlier
this week--on Monday, remember--at the Press Club, of Jeremiah Wright. What
do you think will happen?
Mr. DAN RATHER (HDNet Global Correspondent): Well, I'm out of the predicting
business because my crystal ball is permanently in the hock shop. However,
Hillary Clinton has an opportunity on Tuesday to kick the political equivalent
of a 60-yard field goal. Which is to say, if she were to win in
Indianapolis--in Indiana and in North Carolina, it would change the center of
gravity of the race. It's odds against she can do that. I do think that
the--a combination of the right situation, and what candidate Obama said in
San Francisco about the "bitterness" thing has hurt him very badly. We'll
know Wednesday morning how badly, but I don't think there's any question it's
hurt him.
MATTHEWS: Let's talk about North Carolina, Kim. It's where you work. He's
had a big lead down there, Barack Obama.
Ms. KIM GENARDO (NBC Raleigh Political Reporter): Absolutely.
MATTHEWS: He's had for weeks now. It's narrowing, I hear. Tell me what you
hear about that race as it's shaping up. Will it be an up or down on Jeremiah
Wright, not Barack?
Ms. GENARDO: Yeah. Absolutely. We've seen a lot of narrowing. Clinton
might be the comeback kid here, but does she have enough to get it done? I
don't think so, but it's going to be close. And they'll spin that as a
victory anyway. But as far as Reverend Wright, we're hearing from voters
there that it's not really influencing them too much. At least, the smart,
educated pool of voters who go to the primaries, they're not buying
necessarily this guilt by association. But, that being said, what about your
more conservative, white, rural voters? And I don't know that I'm that in
touch with them to know if that's going to make them...(unintelligible).
MATTHEWS: What an honest reporter you are. Anyway, let me go to Andrea out
there in Indianapolis.
Same question to you. That's one where Hillary's expected to win a little bit
of a victory out there. What does it look in terms of the impact of the
Reverend Wright there?
Ms. ANDREA MOREHEAD (NBC Indianapolis Political Reporter): Well, it's really
difficult to tell right now what kind of impact is being had based on the
comments that Jeremiah Wright said. I know I've interviewed Obama over the
last few weeks, and of course he has been out there distancing himself from
his relationship with Jeremiah Wright. And when you talk to voters in
Indiana, they're more concerned about the issues. This is not something that
people are talking about. I mean, they're talking about it at the water
coolers, of course, and the barbershops, and at grocery stores, but in terms
of how it's going to affect their vote next Tuesday, it's really difficult to
tell. They're more concerned about jobs. They're more concerned about the
economy coming back. They're more concerned about the war in Iraq. They want
to talk about the real issues that affect us...
MATTHEWS: Yeah.
Ms. MOREHEAD: ...in Indiana.
Ms. GENARDO: Yeah.
Ms. MOREHEAD: So we don't know if this is actually going to play a role so
we have to see how it all shakes out.
MATTHEWS: You know, Mike, I've read that Indiana's a younger state
demographically, that Pennsylvania's one of the two oldest states...
Mr. MICHAEL DUFFY (Time Assistant Managing Editor): Right.
MATTHEWS: ...with Florida, a retirement area for so many people. Indiana's
younger. It is rural. It's Southern. It's Northern. It's city, it's
country. It's got everything. But I've always sensed it was a closer race
than Pennsylvania. Is it going to be close, or is Hillary going to thump him
there?
Mr. DUFFY: Well, we don't know. But...
MATTHEWS: You don't know?
Mr. DUFFY: It's going to be closer because the state is more diverse. It's
more diverse...
MATTHEWS: Yeah.
Mr. DUFFY: ...culturally. It's more diverse ethnically. It's more diverse
economically than Pennsylvania. And so it's going to be tight all the way to
the end. North Carolina, a little bit of a difference.
I also think, on Reverend Wright, one other thing we just ought to just admit,
for months Barack Obama has run as someone who really transcended race, and
any time someone else tried to put race on the table, he said, `That's not
about me.' But when his pastor did it, it made it really hard for that
campaign to rise above it, and now that is going to be with us in this race,
probably for the duration.
MATTHEWS: Is this always going to be available as a way for his critics and
opponents to put him back in the ghetto?
Mr. DUFFY: It will always be available for this to--for his opponents to
raise it as something he has to deal with, defend, deflect.
MATTHEWS: Right.
Mr. DUFFY: And that will probably be true for the rest of the year.
Ms. MOREHEAD: But let me say something. The people that I'm talking to in
Indiana, they're saying, this is really a distraction. How many times does he
have to say that he's guilty by association. How many times does he have to
say, `This is not who I am, this is not who defines me, this is not who I am
as a person.' How many times does he have to say, `This is not who I
represent.'
MATTHEWS: Fair enough. Fair enough.
RATHER: I think it is a problem. He's going to have to say it a lot.
MATTHEWS: Fair enough, Dan, but the verdict on that...
Ms. MOREHEAD: Yeah, people are getting upset with that. They're ready to
move on.
MATTHEWS: The verdict on that is going to be rendered by voters, and--perhaps
fairly or not--it's going to be white voters. They're going to say whether
they think this puts him off in the corner.
Ms. MOREHEAD: Hm.
MATTHEWS: Not as a transitional figure but as a ghetto figure in a sense.
White voters in Indianapolis, in Indiana. They're going to decide this thing.
Mr. RATHER: Well, true.
MATTHEWS: If he takes a thumping out there, everyone will say it was Jeremiah
Wright that did it to him.
Mr. RATHER: They will say that. And I take Andrea's point that people say,
`Listen, we're interested in other things.' I think they are...
Ms. MOREHEAD: They're done with that.
Offscreen Voice: Mm-hmm.
Mr. RATHER: The economy. However, we know as Americans when it comes to
race, people are very reluctant to tell you what they think, what they really
think, and what they're going to do behind the curtain when they pull that
lever.
MATTHEWS: Yeah.
Ms. MOREHEAD: But the question is, how clear are people? How willing are
people to really talk about the issue of race? It truly is--it really does
divide people, and if people are not willing to be honest about it, then
that's where the problem lies.
MATTHEWS: You know, Kim, I sense that...
Ms. MOREHEAD: They're not ready for that conversation.
MATTHEWS: ...the Bubba, as he's been nicknamed--Elvis. He's had these
nicknames, these Southernisms. Bill Clinton's out there. I know that the
Southern accent's getting deeper...
Ms. GENARDO: Oh yeah.
MATTHEWS: ...as the days go on. He's working the rural areas out there in
North Carolina. Do they smell the possibility of upset down there?
Ms. GENARDO: Absolutely. This has been strategic all along. You know,
Obama came into our state months ahead of Clinton. His media buys outpace her
by five to one, and in this 11th hour, the Clintons come in: Hillary, Bill,
Chelsea. One, two, three. Boom, boom, boom. And they just keep hitting
everyone. President Clinton is going to go to 40 towns, small towns, getting
votes hundreds at a time.
MATTHEWS: Is he working black or white voters?
Ms. GENARDO: I would say he's...
MATTHEWS: Mostly white?
Ms. GENARDO: Yes, white voters and he's going after those moderate
Democrats, the blue-collar whites.
Mr. DUFFY: Those are the ones he...(unintelligible)...
MATTHEWS: Molasses in the voice. I can tell. I can hear it. `I understand.
I'm suffering for you.'
Ms. MOREHEAD: In Indiana we're kind of seeing the same thing.
MATTHEWS: OK. Dan, this primary battle seems like the never-ending story to
a lot of us. You asked Obama this week all about how he's feeling.
(Begin clip of "Dan Rather Reports")
Mr. RATHER: You must sometimes feel, to use a Texas expression, like you've
been rode hard and put to bed wet.
(Obama laughs)
(End of clip)
Ms. GENARDO: Nice laugh. That's great.
MATTHEWS: You got a little nervous laughter out of that guy. Stable hard--I
mean, ridden hard and stabled wet. Yeah, he looked like it, didn't he?
Mr. RATHER: Well, he did. Look, this has been an incredibly long campaign,
even for those that's in journalism, and I think voters are feeling it. It's
like one of those long bus rides back from the beach in a too-tight bathing
suit. It just goes on and on and on. It's--look, it's tough on the
candidates.
But back to Indiana and North Carolina. That Indiana--if she carries Indiana,
I don't think the margin's going to matter all that much unless it's a total
blow-out. What she needs is Indiana and North Carolina. I think we need to
focus on if she doesn't win in both, I don't agree that if she gets--lost by a
small margin in North Carolina that they'll be able to spin it successfully.
I think if she doesn't carry North Carolina, she may be finished.
MATTHEWS: OK.
Mr. DUFFY: She's run out of runway one way or the other.
Ms. GENARDO: Right.
Mr. DUFFY: There's only so many states left, and you notice she doesn't have
get...
MATTHEWS: These metaphors are getting me. Tight bathing suits. Running out
of runway. Stabled wet.
Mr. DUFFY: They're all good. They're all good.
MATTHEWS: Bottom line time. We asked The Matthews Meter, 12 of our regulars,
if Hillary doesn't win either North Carolina or Indiana, will she drop out?
Well don't count on it. Seven-to-five, the meter says even if Hillary loses
both states on Tuesday, she'll not call it quits.
Mike, you say if she loses either one. The meter says if she loses both,
she'll still be hanging in there, but it won't matter, you say.
Mr. DUFFY: I think she'll stay in if she wins one. I think she'll get out
if she loses both.
MATTHEWS: What about the significance of a--of a--of a split? Is there one?
Does everybody agree a split's just a split?
Ms. MOREHEAD: It's just even.
Mr. DUFFY: Then we have six more weeks of winter.
MATTHEWS: Yeah. Well, let me all ask you. If somebody wins both, what's it
mean. I just got to know this. If Hillary wins both on Tuesday, what
happens?
Ms. GENARDO: Huge upset, and that's great for her.
MATTHEWS: Dan?
Mr. RATHER: If somebody wins--if Obama wins both, it's over. If Hillary
Clinton wins both, it's break the seat on...(unintelligible)...bicycles.
MATTHEWS: I like that.
Ms. MOREHEAD: If she wins both, she's back in the game for sure.
MATTHEWS: But if he wins both?
Ms. MOREHEAD: If he wins both, it might be over...
MATTHEWS: Knockout.
Ms. MOREHEAD: ...for Clinton. Absolutely.
MATTHEWS: Knockout. Do you think it's a knockout if he wins both?
Mr. DUFFY: Absolutely. The superdelegates, just--deluge.
MATTHEWS: Well, put--we're telling Barack Obama `put every nickel you've got
in your piggy bank and go buy some more ads in Indianapolis.'
Anyway, before we break, when you're running for president, it seems like
everyone wants to give you their two cents. Barack Obama's getting his share
of free advice. Michael Dukakis, the guy who lost to the first Bush in 1988
says he's isolated Barack's problem. Mechanics, that's his problem. This
week Dukakis told The New York Observer that Obama need to improve his
organization. Here's Dukakis' quote: "Obama hasn't done anywhere near as
good a job at the precinct level as I would have expected."
But how seriously can Obama take this guy? Mm. Here's how "Saturday Night
Live" portrayed the doomed Dukakis just 10 days before he got beaten.
Mr. JON LOVITZ: (As Michael Dukakis) Several months ago when we purchased
this half-hour of television time, we planned to use it for last minute appeal
to undecided voters. But, quite frankly, after meeting with my advisers and
seeing the latest polls, it's clear to me--and it would be clear to
anyone--that I don't have a Chinaman's chance of winning this election.
MATTHEWS: I just love the way he shakes his head back and forth like `you
stupids.' Anyway, what's even funnier is that the real-like Dukakis said he
shouldn't get into the advice business. Here he was talking to Katie Couric
about Paul Tsongas' campaign strategy back in '92.
(Begin clip from "Today," February 19, 1992)
KATIE COURIC: What kind of advice, Governor Dukakis, would you give Paul
Tsongas here on out?
Mr. DUKAKIS: Well, I'm probably the last guy in the world to give anybody
political advice, depending--given what happened to me in '88.
(End of clip)
MATTHEWS: Well, Dan, it didn't stop him from giving Obama some advice this
week.
Mr. RATHER: No, but it--a point there. I think by any reasonable analysis
that Obama has had the best organization of the three candidates still left
standing. Look where he started. He had to put the organization together
himself, and even people who support Hillary Clinton and John McCain will tell
you that they're impressed by Obama's campaign. So I don't quite understand
the old friend Michael Dukakis saying he needs to shore up his organization.
MATTHEWS: May not be the problem. Michael, you agree that isn't the problem?
That's not the...
Mr. DUFFY: That's not the problem. But don't forget, we're entering the
part of the campaign where voters are going to start mattering less and the
superdelegates are going to start mattering more. After next Tuesday, there
are more superdelegates up for grabs than regular pledged delegates, and
you've got to watch those numbers because those are the--that's the one that's
going to matter after Tuesday.
MATTHEWS: OK. When we come back, will Republicans exploit Jeremiah Wright if
Obama is the nominee come November? Will no one rid us of this meddlesome
priest? Plus, scoops and predictions right out of the notebooks of these top
reporters. TELL ME SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW. Be right back.
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MATTHEWS: Welcome back.
Long before Jeremiah Wright gave that explosive rant in Washington on Monday,
he was already odd-size baggage for Obama. Barack recognizes the problem.
Sen. OBAMA: (From "Fox News Sunday," April 27) The fact that he's my former
pastor, I think, makes a legitimate political issue.
MATTHEWS: And that led John McCain to all but promise he'd resurrect the
Jeremiah Wright story if he faces Obama in November.
Senator JOHN McCAIN: (April 27) Senator Obama said it was a legitimate
political issue. If he believes that, then it will probably be a political
issue.
MATTHEWS: Wow. We asked The Matthews Meter, 12 of our regulars, was Obama's
repudiation of his former pastor enough to stop Republicans from using the
Wright story in the fall if Obama's the nominee? It's unanimous, 12 to
zip--this is a rarity on this show--the meter says Obama's repudiation will
not stop Republican attacks on the Reverend Wright issue if he's the nominee.
Michael, you agree?
Mr. DUFFY: Yeah, there's no question. They'll come at him every way he
can--they can. And everyone who supports Obama will get a version of this,
too. They'll be asked to account for it. They'll be asked to put some
distance between them. McCain himself will probably say something like, `I'm
not going to make Reverend Wright's views an issue,' but he's made it already
clear that he disagrees with him. So I think you can expect the entire
Republican establishment to make this issue number one--unless something
better comes along.
Ms. MOREHEAD: And we're already...
MATTHEWS: Can a brilliant politician--Barack included, perhaps, perhaps--turn
this around? Can he show that the--that the--that he's different, so
different from the Reverend Wright, that he should be elected president?
Ms. MOREHEAD: Well, I think he's already shown that. I mean, he's already
said before that he does not believe what Wright said. He was at church
that--or, was not at church that day, but obviously he's someone who says, `I
want to bring the country together. Let's get beyond this issue of being
divisive. Let's talk about we have more in common than what we have in terms
of our differences.' So I think he's going to be able to use this as a way to
bring the country together, as opposed of using this as a division...
MATTHEWS: I wonder.
Ms. MOREHEAD: ...that the Republicans and McCain are trying to use this for.
MATTHEWS: Does everybody agree with that, that he can turn this around, or
he's going to just have to cut his losses? Kim?
Ms. GENARDO: I don't. I interviewed him the other day, and I don't think he
distanced himself far enough from his pastor, actually telling me all the
great things that he had done on the south side of Chicago--Reverend Wright,
that is. So I don't know. Politically, you'd think he'd have to come out and
really condemn his remarks and--I know he already got him--got rid of him on
his faith and values team, but is that enough? I don't think so.
MATTHEWS: This reminds me, Dan, more of one of those relatives that always
gets you in trouble with politics, whether it's Sam Houston Johnson or it's
Donald Nixon or it's Billy Carter.
Ms. GENARDO: Yeah.
MATTHEWS: It's an old family relative that just rattles around up there in
the attic.
Mr. RATHER: It's that uncle you don't want at the Thanksgiving thing and you
put him off...
Ms. GENARDO: Yeah.
Mr. RATHER: But, Chris, first of all, it will be used against him
throughout. And it will continue to hurt him. Americans are, by nature, in
character, a forgiving people, but this is going to be made into much more
than it ever should, but we still have a long way to go. It'll remain big,
particularly, for Barack Obama, unless something bigger comes along, and with
the length we still have to go through to the November election, who knows
what's ahead. Something bigger could come out and...
MATTHEWS: Here's a concern. Well, go ahead, Mike.
Mr. DUFFY: Oh, I was going to say there, I think Dan's right. There are a
couple of factors he might. It's a long time before the fall. It's different
when it'll be against McCain, I think, because you'll never know what other
issues will have come up.
Ms. MOREHEAD: Mm-hmm.
Mr. DUFFY: And I think Republicans have learned from experience that when
they play a race card they can't do it very early if it's going to--they
have--run risks with women and independent voters when they do it, and that's
a group that's terribly important to them. So it's not un-elastic. There's a
point at which it stops working, and the question is whether they'll overdo
it.
MATTHEWS: My question is will this be used as a permission slip. Will they
say, `all right, Barack Obama doesn't look angry, he's no one to be afraid of,
he really does want peace and harmony in this society and in the world, but
look who he's been hanging around with, this fire-breathing minister who says
"God damn America."' And why wouldn't they just keep playing that?
Ms. MOREHEAD: Well, obviously they're going to keep playing it, but the
issue is--and I think what I'm hearing from voters in Indiana is--when are we
going to let it go? How many times does he--does he have to say, `I don't
agree with that'? How many times does he have to say, `That is not who I am'?
So the question is, are the American--will the American public finally stand
up and say, `You know what? We believe in you. It's about the issues. We
believe that on day one you're going to take care of us in terms of jobs, the
economy, the war in Iraq, as well as these gas prices.'
MATTHEWS: OK.
Ms. MOREHEAD: That's what people are talking about. It's about the issues.
MATTHEWS: John McCain is kind of a Jack Kemp Republican. He does not want to
be a...
Mr. RATHER: Sure.
MATTHEWS: ...divisive character. He's been--boy, was he poisoned when they
went after him back in 2000 down in South Carolina. Family stuff, wife stuff,
kid stuff, they threw everything at him. Do you think he might be a little
bit--little bit resistant to using this issue?
Mr. RATHER: No, I think he'll be a whole lot resistant to using this issue,
but that's not the point. There are bit--there are forces within the party
and people who give money to the party, who will handle this as a
separate--John McCain doesn't have to come in the same area code with it. He
can denounce it.
Ms. MOREHEAD: Mm.
Mr. RATHER: I do agree with Mike. Timing's a lot for the Republicans. They
have--they have to space this out just right because they can overplay their
hand. My expectation is that they'll cool it for a while. In the latter
stages of the campaign, seek to revive it big time.
MATTHEWS: I think there are a lot of white people that do not--in fact,
overwhelmingly do not want to be seen as racist and that they believe they're
being played that way. Mike?
Mr. DUFFY: Right.
MATTHEWS: They're going to say, no.
Mr. DUFFY: Yeah, there'll be a backlash.
MATTHEWS: We'll be right back with scoops and predictions right out of the
notebooks of these top reporters, TELL ME SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW. Be right...
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MATTHEWS: Welcome back.
Kim, TELL ME SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW.
Ms. GENARDO: Well, remember John Edwards? Yeah, he ran for president.
MATTHEWS: North Carolina guy.
Ms. GENARDO: Right, yeah. '04, '08. Well, who is he going to endorse?
We're hearing from my sources that he will not endorse either Obama or Clinton
by our May 6th primary, playing it out a bit longer because you bet he wants a
Cabinet position.
MATTHEWS: Whoa, I like this.
Mr. RATHER: And he has 19 delegates. Republicans will continue to use the
whole Wright issue up and down the line in state and local races. It's a
no-lose situation for them. One, they can help their local candidates, and
two, in their heart of hearts, they'd rather run against Hillary Clinton and
every time they run it, they think they're damaging Obama in the process.
MATTHEWS: Wow.
Ms. MOREHEAD: Hm. Former DNC chairman Joe Andrew just came out a couple of
days ago and said he's now going to support Obama. Long-time friend of Bill
Clinton's, long-time friend of Hillary. Didn't even call Hillary to let her
know. Major press conference and said, `I'm turning my vote over to Obama.
As voters here in Indiana, you need to do the very same thing.'
MATTHEWS: Hm. Michael?
Mr. DUFFY: The dirty little secret of the McCain veep stakes operation is
that the choices just aren't very good, and they got worse this week when
McCain said that the bridge that fell in Minneapolis last summer and killed 15
people was the result of wasteful government spending. That made Tim
Pawlenty, the Minnesota governor who's on his short list, say, `Well, you
know, I don't know where he got that.' Not a dream ticket yet.
MATTHEWS: OK. I still think it's Thune, from South Dakota. I'll be right
back with this week's BIG QUESTION. The country wants change, but will that
drive the election, or will smaller stories, like Jeremiah Wright, decide who
wins in November. Be right back.
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MATTHEWS: Welcome back.
Polls show that, across the board, voters want change on war, on the economy,
which brings us to this week's BIG QUESTION. Will that demand for change
drive this election in November, or will smaller stories, like Jeremiah
Wright, decide who wins?
Let's go with you, Kim.
Ms. GENARDO: Think it depends on who the candidates are. If it's
Obama/McCain...
MATTHEWS: OK. How about Obama vs. McCain?
Ms. GENARDO: Yeah. Well, then I think it's a change issue. If it's Clinton
and McCain, it becomes the other way.
MATTHEWS: Personality stuff?
Ms. GENARDO: Uh-huh.
MATTHEWS: Dan?
Mr. RATHER: I think it's change all the way. People vote their pocketbooks
and they worry about the war, so the economy and Iraq will be the overriding
issues under the umbrella of got to have a change.
MATTHEWS: Andrea?
Ms. MOREHEAD: I'm with Dan, too. I think the buzzword is change, like
"shock and awe" was back in 2001. I believe if people think that they don't
like the Bush administration now, they're not going to like McCain. So it's
about change. It will be Hillary or Obama.
MATTHEWS: Right.
Mr. DUFFY: Change. Doesn't feel like it now, but it will be in the fall.
MATTHEWS: What a sight that will be if it's Obama, 46 years old. The other
guy's 72. One guy's taller than the other, guy much younger than the other
guy. Totally different political organization. Dove against a hawk. What a
choice.
Mr. DUFFY: All elections--all elections are about change.
MATTHEWS: Great stuff. Great theater. Great television. Great election.
Thanks...
Ms. MOREHEAD: Indiana says Obama's going to win if it's between the two of
them.
MATTHEWS: What was that?
Ms. MOREHEAD: Indiana says it'll be Obama if it's between Obama and McCain
so we'll have to see what happens.
MATTHEWS: Well, we're still waiting on Tuesday. Thank you for a great
roundtable.
Ms. MOREHEAD: Yeah, absolutely.
MATTHEWS: Kim Genardo, Dan Rather--I know you'll be live, Dan, on HDNEt on
Tuesday night--Andrea Morehead, and Michael Duffy.
Mr. RATHER: Right.
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